By our measure our savior Jesus was a total and complete failure. He found my blog while researching the similarities between Scientology and Watermark Church. Izael who are you to judge someone elses experience? covenant, In the Bible, can you name Darren, heres what I see are the problems with Elder-Rule church government. But, a money maker? Christian Church. * For What? Worth 1-2 million. People are insecure, confused, listen to gossip,Read more . My people hath been lost sheep: And why? Humility and pride has been an issue as many of us see, but since you are the first one to throw the stone, if you used this time to share the Gospel with others (I bet some would get saved) as Lord wants us to rely on Him and have the Holy Spirit to guide us. Wagner was tearful during his speech in the video Sunday. +++++++++++++++. Having been a Watermark (now CityBridge) member since 2016 have never EVER heard these messages thatSusan speaks of. Definitely they are important to Christian theology, but they fall within a spectrum of orthodox third-rank doctrines. If you dont want to share your story you dont have to. Those who love control and achievement thrive very well there. No wonder the under 30 group are saying goodbye to church. Fellowship Church. If the things she claims were stated from the pulpit are true, there should be plenty of documentation. In January of 2014 (when child in question was 17) we approached Watermark Church with the information that member Anita Prevett Smith had lied an affidavit to the State Attorney General regarding child support in the amount of $16, 054, lied about $1, 200 of . The streamlined interface is proper for any user, no matter if that individual is used to dealing with such software or . a lavish lifestyle is contrary to everything Jesus stood for if Jesus still matters, and if anyone actually remembers. Watermark was founded in November 7, 1999 with an outward-focused ministry that sought to minister to "the unchurched, dechurched, dead-churched and unmoved." [1] Watermark averages about 9,000 weekly attendants. One person complained that her husband was forced to tell his community group how much he made and to account for how he spent his money. You made friends with whoever you wanted to and you shared what you felt like sharing. If you (as some I bet arent producing fruits but first one to take a shot at his house, cars and family. Some titles of articles written about Watermark Church. If you dont want to be a member at Watermark you dont have to be.Read more , There is a difference between positional authority and spiritual authority. Let me guessthe PASTORS of this church DONT have to be real and disclose THEIR salaries, sins, struggles.right???? Watermark is very good at many things but also very bad at a few. XPastor recommends readers take special note of the resources provided by Watermark about the issue of Care and Correction. Paul, thanks for the response. Its a really bad idea in my opinion because its not being totally forthright with members about what the church actually teaches. I am praying for you in San Diego CA. the artificial contrived way of being is over the top. Life Stage Care and Recovery Equipping Outreach Serve Community Groups. This gives freedom to members who may still be working through some of their beliefs while also holding the elders to a higher standard. Log In. Before coming to Watermark, I never knew the Bible could be applied to my life. Wow. Its almost as if Mr. Wagner is concerned that more detailed information will come out. Gateway Church. Also I probably would be off my depression meds. Secondly he says that even Jesus himself said things that might be considered cultish: If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26. Demands full disclosure of finances in church groups, but having a hard time finding his. Mickey makes it sound like the decision for Todd to resign was something weve arrived at due to events. You live by Elder-Rule, you die by Elder-Rule. Where appropriate, upon request,. I am a CFP and I dont see how the gift tax is relevant in this instance. Elder and staff member David Leventhal stepped down in late March, citing "an erosion of trust" in Wagner's ability to lead. Its inappropriate and wrong for a pastor serving the church to live an opulent lifestyle. I have edited some of her answers for content and length. As the CG leader, I went first. If by community you mean confessing every single sin in your life to a group of virtual strangers, disclosing your personal financial information, and seeking the approval of the group to change jobs, buy a house, start a family then no,Read more , Christian community can have so many different levels, and not everyone is seeking the same depth in all relationships. I was a member for nearly 14 years, sure bunch of us saw some challenges (as some churches may face) not doubt. Theres a lot of talk and a lot of Christianese language, but its still impossible to say exactly what happened or exactly what is and was going on. insincere; smooth-tongued, slick; greasy, oily, saccharine; I received some emails from former Watermark Church members who wanted to tell their stories, but were hesitant to share too much online, for fear of repercussions, or as I refer to it, fair game. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. One of His Disciples who signed a church membership contract?, Five Reasons to Say No to a Church Covenant The only remaining elders at Watermark are Mickey Friedrich and Kyle Thompson, though a third man, Blake Holmes, has been named a candidate for eldership. That is one huge cult. Ill happily answer any questions, but for any Believers here I would strongly encourage you to first take this to the Lord in prayer, then His word, and then ask yourself if its healthy or wise or appropriate to make such claims about a person / place you know almost nothing about. He didnt even buy the house, it was gifted by a member years ago. It is all about leveraging God not for the good of the people but for bragging rights about how successful they are. I went back several times others preached but werent as good holding an audiences attention as Todd Wagner and the full content with historical and life referces and quoting scripture just wasnt there like Todd Wagner.. then they said Watermark Plano was becoming its own church. What you need to know about Church Membership Covenants., The Aftermath: Stories from Former Watermark Church Members, The Aftermath Part II: Stories from Former Watermark Church Members, Family Ties: How Watermark Community Church is Alienating Families. The guy has an ad that comes on YouTube where he goes through how his org is run. Having said that,Read more . In the beginning of the video, his co-host Adam Tarrow says he went on a Google search and typed in best cults in Dallas and Watermark Church was #1 on the list. If your Parents were not rich and someone. Todd Wagner was preaching. Is this standard really higher or is it just more specific? Elder-Rule governance removes any hope of independent accountability the elders are originally self-appointed and thereafter elder-appointed. business Top 100. It also means sharing your entire financial portfolio and giving away the freedom to make any life decisions apart from the community group. There are many issues at Watermark. It appears to attract a fairly high income crowd if their building program is any indication of the amount of money coming into the church. On 05/28/2008 THE STATE OF TEXAS filed a Property - Eminent Domain lawsuit against WATERMARK COMMUNITY CHURCH. As a result, at least 19 diocese and religious orders have had to file for bankruptcy. I asked Susan if she wouldnt mind answering a few questions for this post, which she was happy to do. Hes not the pastor of Watermark. How do you know Todd pays that? Considering thatRead more , Dave It is disingenuous to minimize someone elses experience just because you did not witness it yourself. Or, in this case, you live on as Elder Emeritus! There is another Todd Wagner in Dallas he is an entrapenuer Its not Wagner the pastor. Thats what they all seem to do. So you either choose to remain by completing the 4b questionnaire or you are no longer a member, [] a greatexample of unsafe community groups which verge on cults. **THEIR shepherds** When this article was written, Awaken Conference 2021. Show me one bit of Biblical historicity in favor of the modern seeker-oriented megachurch. eSignature; As directed by Scripture, Watermark makes a distinction between regularly attending and being a formal member of our church. We have ministry partners with boots on the ground, helping to love and serve others by meeting their immediate physical and spiritual needs. I keep coming back to this because something just doesnt seem right. I was a messed up kid at that time and Todd was the worst counselor ever. Our post-modern tendency is to use culture as a reference point, not the Bible. It is a long process to leave unless you just dont fill out the yearly form. Its all a show for people to be conned into thinking your being godly. Its a huge red flag to me about Todds character and understanding of God. i dont believe a word he says. When I received the email from *Susan (pseudonym), a former Watermark Church member, she wrote, I am not the only former Watermarker out there who is nervous to speak up about this organization, because I refuse to call them a church.. He is a restorer and a life giver, even as we ALL come to him seeking forgiveness. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Remember the verse when most friends depart, there is one who stays closer then the brother. I think you need to expand on the 4B Spiritual Assessment forms. so much pretense. i watched the video dont know how i got as far as i did i had to turn it off. I went through the Re:Engage program twice early in its development. So Leventhal resigned several weeks before Wagner, but theyre announcing this together, on the same day? (How many of you have actually prayed for Todd)? It is the Lord Jesus who is in control after all folks. Wagner blatantly blasphemed Holy Scripture, hence your whitewash of content and material issues. The only fees were for the materials we used. David (elder) Himself had lot to grow in area of discernment, the way he is reacting isnt ok either. On the cult thing: LIsten to this longer presentation from a high school ministry event. yes, that is a valid question. It is Lord that gives and takes it away. Im with Scotty and Andy Wilson. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. We didnt share our financial information until almost a year into our meeting. While God does allow humans to have free will, His greatest gift to every human is salvation and eternal life, through believing that He sent His son as a sacrifice for our sins. TWW last left Wagner on leave due to pride in Todd Wagner, the Controversial Pastor of Watermark Church, Steps Away *for a Season. Ill also go into more detail about how Watermark Church does resemble a cult, and how some of their teachings are harmful and potentially abusive. the equity in a $million+ home can be invested to provide hot meals, warm beds, jobs, training, and more for years. My soul was touched. In the end, I do think it is a matter of opinion, but I think churches should lean toward transparency. I didnt feel the spirit when I heard him. You are way off base. Thats the problem often times one comes on a hot seat and forgets one day would come that same thing that man have to face. He said at the time that he was not guilty of disqualifying sin like sexual immorality, financial misconduct, or foul languagesomething Wagner reiterated when he announced his resignation. Its all sunshine and roses till you see it firsthand. We did one a week, so this stretch over several weeks. Photo taken March 7, 2014. Theyre not only going to write you off but theyll make sure your entire community group does too.Read more , [] of absence in September 2020 to work on prideful sin that was increasingly becoming visible to church members. We've put together a list of some ways . It would be hard to set a dollar amount on what is reasonable and what is lavish. I dont doubt some unconcionable things happened. I can attest, when they claim no member of WM will ever go homeless, is a complete and total lie. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. He did end the video by defining what HE thought the three marks of a cult were: Im going to address #3, because I did my own Google search of the Dallas County Central Appraisal District and discovered that Todd Wagner lives in a $1.5 million dollar home in a very prestigious area of Dallas. Our mission is to make disciples who are marked by the presence of God in order to leave a lasting mark. the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. And so have I. that is, if we keep Jesus Christ as part of the equation, with an understanding that more is incumbent on leaders than on others. Now he confesses to sin himself , sin ofRead more , I knew Todd when he was an associate pastor at Northwest Bible Church. I believe this man would help many, I can say that without shadow of doubt. Per Todd Wagner I was not the right person or the right fit or whatever he thought. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Im only surprised it took 15 years. Jackson Elliott contributed to this report. The Yelp algorithm is strange. A church membership contract errr. The Asbury Revival Is Over. The reason for this is because, as an elder, he will be responsible for teaching others. I first visited Watermark in 2005 when they were still meeting at a high school in Dallas. If you are going to judge Watermark, its leaders and programs, then I would encourage you to do so in the context of Scripture, especially the New Testament, including the gospels and the epistles that talk about church order, and yes, even discipline. These resources are found in Appendix V and Appendix VI at the end of this case study and in the clarifications given by Watermark in the section Watermark's Response to the Nation. Third, Todd said Christians should live their lives in a way that looks radical or extreme to other people, and Watermark is the best at it, because most churches arent very radical! Wagner should have sold the home and elected to live a less extravagant neighborhood (Highland Park). For ye were as *sheep going astray;* Wagner is all about control and he lost it. At least that was my experienceRead more , The house referenced in the post belongs to the correct Todd Wagner. Elder Mickey Friedrich then urged the church not to try and judge whose version of events is right or wrong. Take Your Power Back we all know many invested their heart and lives into this place, only to be punished and abused when their performance was not up to the public image WM wanted society to perceive of their organization. Im Jesus name. Pastor Todd Wagner, abuse. * For What? To donate, Pastor of Dallas Megachurch Dogged by Allegations of Spiritual Abuse Announces Hes Taking a Break, https://www.wadeburleson.org/2015/05/five-reasons-to-say-no-to-church.html, Vineyard Pastor Resigns, Wont Cooperate With Probe Into Sons Alleged Misconduct. The level of absurdity is a bit high here Im a member, not once have I been asked to fork out my money, not once have I been forced to makeRead more . Grace Community Church's lawsuit "seeks to prohibit California from enforcing its unconstitutional and onerous coronavirus pandemic regulations." Link copied Aug. 14, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC I was so disappointed reading all the comments, especially when considering the targeted audience for this site. Ive said my bit, not interested in burning much more time, unless you or anyone wants to leave a number to meet to discuss Jesus, WM or Todd. Why wouldnt they just tell the church what happened? Staff. . Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. And in Ecclesiastes 12:14, For God will bring every deedRead more , I would be curious to know if you are ok with disclosing all of your financial information to your community group and seeking their approval on life decisions? Im thankful you have experienced the controlling, entrapment, and triangulating side of WM. Watermark Community church says it relies on this New Testament passage to justify its policy of disciplining members: "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. like hes a programmed automaton. Im confused about your statement that the crowd Jesus drew wanted to see him tortured to death in the most cruel way possible. I automatically defended the leaders and staff, and also automatically discredited the victims with pre determined notions the victim was not telling the whole story. Which by the way, most of north Dallas (including Lake Highlands) has experienced the same level of appreciation. Which still seems excessive for a follower of Jesus. 2 doctrinal statements create confusion over authentic belonging. I think I have a pdf copy of a ten year old one. yes, things do not add up. Watermark Community Church abuse. In my opinion, its best to have the teaching statement serve as the unifying statement that covers both members and elders, so that those who attend and who are working through their beliefs dont prematurely sign a membership covenant that in reality places them under the pastoral authority of elders who adhere to the teaching statement. Grace Community Church will be paid $800,000 by Los Angeles County and the state of California after reaching a legal settlement to a lawsuit over COVID-19 restrictions in churches. The Bible says in Hebrews 4:13, Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. So unless this person gave away 7 more $1.5 million homes, they would not be taxed on any of those gifts ever. In these community groups you are enmeshing your entire life into the church. Take advantage of extra customization tools by signNow. Readers write about Watermark Community Church's stance on gays, Ken Paxton suing Brownsville, black lives also matter, Michelle Obama and Dallas Stars fans. Watermark, a fast-growing nondenominational church in northeast Dallas, says the case involves accusations of adultery, a wife who wanted to save her marriage, a husband who sat on a board of a national Christian organization, and another woman who works for another church. Oh, I wouldnt be so sure of that. I highly recommend that you watch the video, because if you watch it with just the tiniest bit of scrutiny, you will notice Todd Wagner work some word-magic here. But it still feels like something is off. Watermark has a leadership problemRead more , Watermark is very transparent about finances. even so, i think its patently obvious that living as the 1% by 1st world standards, even in part, is lavish by any and all standards. Ashley Ruiz alleges in a lawsuit that a member of the International Churches of Christ sexually molested her when she was . Once youve signed your life over to them, you must either form your own community group or go through the process of being placed in one. In layman's terms, that means all decisions concerning the governance of the church are made by the elders, not by the members. So you think women are getting a little uppity and having ideas above their station?. You guys can rip apart our church and Todd all you want, but I know him, and you wont find a man with more of a heart of gold than him. However, if you have any experience with these covenants or have heard stories of people who have dealt with a church where they signed one of these and there was a point of contention or disagreement, you know that these are LEGALLY binding agreements and can be used against you (re: current The Village Church lawsuit& the Karen Hinkley story.). Shame on you folks. Set up and configure your eSignature workflows the way you want them. Came off as legalistic trolling. I know him on a first name basis, as I do some of those elders on the stage. Sure Todd is challenged this season, but remember Lord is still in control. TWW last left Wagner on leave due to pride in Todd Wagner, the Controversial Pastor of Watermark Church, Steps Away *for a Season. trying to figure out what happened in an effort to understand if the leadership is healthy or unhealthy. Regardless we know Romans 8:28 maybe its a season of 2 Tim 3:16-17. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Several weeks after Leventhals resignation, Wagner separately decided to step down as senior pastor and elder, the churchs statement said.. Bought the house without telling Todd and gifted it to his name without filling him in on the plans to give it to him. Unsure why he is getting criticized for living in a house that is experiencing uber appreciation b/c of the school district it resides in. Religious Organization. A calendar of future events, classes, Bible studies, and programs happening with Watermark Community Church. Not every word from a person in a pulpit will always be perfect considering that they are imperfect humans and will admit it. Positional authority deals with executing responsibilities within an organization, like a general in an army, the president of bank, or the pastor of a church. MacArthur's Grace Community Church of Sun Valley had been involved in months of legal battles with state and local officials . May we bear one anothers confessions with grace and mercy. however, since evangelical leaders have redefined gossip to mean dont rock the boat to protect their power, careers, and revenue, can you explain what you mean by gossip? As for two doctrinal statements, our church has something similar, one for members and one for leaders. File photo of fans at a Dallas Stars . The church was founded on Biblical principles from families that really love the Lord. It is an interesting discussion. One of the core values of the community groups is Live Authentically, which they define as being completely honest with one anotherthis means giving others permission to know the real you by sharing authentically. This includes sharing your sins, struggles, along with your entire life story, potentially to a room full of complete strangers. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I bet some of you, dont attend or are part of the church, Jealousy amongst many of you I can smell from here. Its upto Him. Also, please note, you are free to leave Watermark Church at any time. Poor Todd. Not now. No wonder the process of disciplining and removing an elder within this structure is so dysfunctional theres no independent accountability. I dont know if I am over-reacting when Todd made a off the cuff remark about taking his wife some where last week where she could be warm. First and foremost- this is a season that God is shaking things up. No its not. Get eSignature workflows, document management, and business process automation with the airSlate Business Cloud. Darren, I think I get where youre coming from with the idea of a teaching statement. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Did he stay to minister to anyone in need? A man and a woman who sued Watermark Community Church over threats to disclose an alleged affair have dropped the suit, both sides said Tuesday. It was amazing for marriages and community within marriage. Its all based on financial packages and NDAs now. a smarmy, unctuous reply. Yet, Mickey Friedrich says: [dont] try and judge whose version of events is right or wrong, and that even Friedrich and Thompson land at a different place than (Leventhal and Wagner) regarding why weve arrived here.. Create new account. Not Todds decision but good try on the poor stewardship bit. You might want to check out this site Evangelical Church. Maybe because I have not had a negative experience with elder rule I do not see it as a problem. Pray snd ask the Lord for that, sure many here are upset, but not many know what has taken place fully, you judgmental hypocrites. Where are you getting this information? Another $ maker? And thanks for the word smarmy. they portrayed it as Todd having the support of the elders and full steam ahead. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Some of the most notable settlements are described below. These resources are found in Appendix V and Appendix VI at the end of this case study and in the clarifications given by Watermark in the section Watermark's Response to the Nation. This case was filed in Dallas County Texas Courts, Dallas County Texas Courts At Law located in Dallas, Texas. This was the same concept as we moved on to adult Sunday school. If by community you mean meeting with like-minded individuals to foster friendships & develop relationships then great. That church is huge and has 2 campuses (at least) so I find it hard to believe you even know these elders yourself. In response to a tweet by a critic questioning Wagners seeming humility when he announced he was taking a leave of absence in September, Wagner tweeted: Mission accomplished. Wagner later deleted that tweet. Outsourced: How Watermark Community Church Fails in Caring for Its Members, The Spin Cycle Watermark Community Church Members Unlikely to Ever Know the Truth Behind Resignations, Before You Sign: What You Need to Know About Membership Covenants, Making the Cut What Does It REALLY Take to Become a Member at Watermark Community Church, Dallas Megachurch Pastor Todd Wagner Resigns, Cites Pride as the Reason, https://www.watermark.org/about/governance, OUR COMMUNITY SERIES: Being Lonely in a Group of People | To Love, Honor and Vacuum, Leaders trying to drain members in order to live exorbitant lives. They refuse to be honest so they can make a come back in a year or two. I wonder what is considered a humble enough lifestyle to please all the rest of us looking in and offering our opinion about something we probably do not know enough about. I was blessed to attend Kanakuk for years and years. Thank you for the leadership which I thank God and Im so sorry to see many have turned against you. Spiritual authority is the result of Gods power shown through spiritual gifts and deep experiences with God. The Watermark spokesperson explained that the church followed the Dallas Independent School District's "standard and customary process for this . the family in a 1970s 2,100 sf home of their own in the suburbs may feel they have the short end of the stick, and see the family in the newer 3,400 sf home as having amazing luxuries. The Dallas ISD board of trustees approved the sale in late August; records show Watermark paid $211,000 for nine acres of building and bare land off Second Avenue a steal, no matter the. We don't remove someone's formal status as a member for struggling with sin - whether that sin is pride, materialism, or sexual sin. If you got the impression I was disingenuous or was minimizing someones hurt please forgive me. 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