The Piaggio Avanti EVO is the third generation model of Piaggios flagship model. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, In fact, Avantair hired and added airplanes during the Great Recession. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I have real concerns about their future. I still can't believe they are not making this issue public. Our diverse pilot group includes Air Force Academy graduates, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, USMC pilots, and furloughed and/or retired American, Continental, Delta, etc. The engines have pneumatic boots on the intake combining with an engine particle deviator door to avoid ice entering the engine core and a warm bleed air supply to the engine oil cooler intake. Although never anywhere near 40 in the last two weeks have been in service. As the factory-authorized training provider for these aircraft, we have created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and technicians are equipped with the latest in safety training. During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. We are grateful for their understanding and patience as we work through this important process. I just read about the one that flipped, but understand, it is only this issue that has me looking at ntsb reports, it is not something most fractional owners do before every flight. A traffic target can be out of view in certain positions, at around 2 oclock for the left-seater or 11 oclock for the right-seater. Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. Findings as to risk: Only records that are readily With mid-flaps selected, the indicator in the upper left side of my PFD and on the MFD turned amber, indicating a sequencing issue. #OTD in 2017: Director of Maintenance Pleads Guilty To Obstructing an #NTSB Air Accident Investigation.https://t.co/P84ir4v0L5 #flightsafety #aviationsafety #aviationmaintenance pic.twitter.com/fA2oHltndZ, This information is added by users of ASN. Slightly heavy control forces in roll assisted me in flying this accurately. The front office of the Avanti Evo is the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21. I for one an very hopeful this whole episode will be behind us soon and that the company becomes gets stronger. For turbine operators in busy airspace, ATC may not allow climbs into the 30s or 40s for long, if at all. Had this been a 121 flight, the Captain could have had the passengers detained for interfering with a flight crew and stomping out on the supposedly "secured" ramp, but this isn't 121. But it didn't help in the fact VNR was born in the Decade from hell. I know from my perspective, it was going to be close as to whether I was going to use my minimum hours this year (even after being able to roll some to next year). The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. To demonstrate the first stall, Villi leveled at 15,000 feet, and with the power levers remaining closed, we decelerated at 1.5 knots per second as shown by the purple trend vector on the PFD airspeed strip. Once on the runway and cleared for takeoff, we checked to make sure the flaps were set for takeoff and the steering was too there are different modes depending on how fast youre traveling though theres no tiller and that our trims and condition lever were correctly set. Takeoff over 50-ft obstacle (sea level) / 3,262 ft Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark, though in many respects, its not an easy mental shift to make. Space laundry washing throughout the week. For the past week, we have been undertaking extensive inspections of our fleet and our operating procedures. Frequent heading changes are required to stay in the area and this allowed me to quickly get a feel for the Avanti. The Avanti takes that formula and pushes it to the design edge, achieving that performance with a great deal less power than in comparable jet products and with the best cabin in the class by a long shot. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. It has delivered nearly 200. That all changed in 2003 when Avantair put the design thoroughly on the map in the United States as a successful fractional-ownership provider of Avantis. The difference between the two, they say, is that the forward wing, while a lifting surface, is not a controllable one. The seats are finished in black leather with the owners initials embossed into the headrest and with a cabin height of 5.74 ft, it is comfortable to move around the full length. Best for: Superior speed When Italys leading aerospace manufacturing company released the Piaggio Avanti EVO, they delivered on three key business demands: speed, comfort, and cost-effectiveness.Piaggio Aerospace blended the very best in Italian design with superb craftsmanship to create a high-performance aircraft that not only turns Max takeoff weight / 12,100 lbs Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. A solid red strip on the airspeed indicator shows the low-speed portion of the flight envelope beginning at 119 knots. They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. I selected terrain on my PFD to map the coastline. Whatever the outcome, it was and is an honor and a blast to serve our Owners and work with my fellow VNR employees. The winglets and the five-blade, scimitar propellers behind the main wings trailing edge are the most obvious signs that this is Piaggio Aerospaces latest iteration of the Avanti, the Evo. The upper fuselage curves to a peak height just in front of and above the main wing leading edge and then slopes downwards to join the lower fuselage upward curve at a point below the trailing edge of the T-tail that stands with its sharply swept back horizontal tailplane some 13.06 feet above the ramp. My last four years have been spent flying equipment with fly-by-wire controls and the Avantis flying controls are conventionally connected via cables, pulleys, push pull rods, and bell cranks. Flying the Avanti II There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. It wasnt the only fast turboprop twin with a forward wing the Beech Starship was a contemporary, though that company stopped production of the composite cabin-class twin shortly after it started it, admitting later that the composite model was so time-intensive to build that it was simply unprofitable. The caution terrain aural warning was sounding continuously as Villi maneuvered us to the left in visual conditions to fly around the hill, inconveniently placed on the extended certerline of the runway. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. The Shape of Fast At FL380, you can expect 380 KTAS on 600 pounds per hour in an Avanti II. I found a new job about 4 weeks later! Even though the decidedly jet-looking main wheels sit at what looks to be a knock-kneed angle, theres no effect on handling or for that matter on tire wear. http://www.avantair.com/filings.html. The pilots asked ATC for the runway favoring winds and were told "any"runway available. Where the two designs are in accord is that they are both largely stall proof. As the flaps travel, there is a nose up pitch that is easily counteracted with slight forward pressure on the column and trim. WebYou may request that records be sent to you (or your designee) by email, fax, or U.S. mail. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. We took up a westerly heading for our return to Villanova. I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. Cabin dimensions are spacious compared to a Beechcraft King Air and more in line with a midsize jet. Using the rudder pedal steering in taxi mode, the feeling is very direct. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. We called for taxi instructions from Villanovas flight information service, Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. On the Avanti, each unique characteristic of the aircraft is firmly rooted in function. Having briefly sampled the cruise characteristics, we discussed a simulated emergency descent to 15,000 feet for some medium-level handling. Thanks guys, Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. I turned due south and climbed toward the military training area. A flight credit has very little value unless and until we fly again. Where did you get this press release? I started looking at commercial flights, figuring SWA flies there and it would be inexpensive anyway. Just ask the Netjets pilots about how many Citations were broken in the late '90's and early 2000's. He sighted the runway at 50 ft above the missed approach point. Villanova requires a specific qualification as it sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains with an MSA of 11,200 feet to the west, so Villi briefed he would fly the departure from Runway 9 and demonstrate a performance takeoff. That said both the plane and the company have been reliable for me for about 7 years. PT6A-66(B) The EVO is the latest variant, which hosts a variety of new The main wing of the airplane is very small (172.2 square feet, slightly less than a Cessna 210s) and very highly loaded. Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. Pilot Report: Piaggio Avanti Evo - Aviation International You fly final at around 120 knots; when you pull back on the power as you land, the nose rises slightly, the mains touch, and you relax back pressure and prepare to get stopped, a job that is greatly aided by big carbon brakes and extremely effective prop braking. The other huge advantage of the configuration is that it opens up the fuselage, allowing a cabin that is closer to that of midsize jets than light jets. As a result, the engine management chores on the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets. P180 Avanti Pitot and Static System. As far as the crew that experienced the elevator loss, now you will hear the rest of the story.. Due to low ceilings at the destination airport, the crew diverted to the alternate, SAN. But it was not his fault that it. Then there are the issues with inflight engine shutdowns that happen way early of the engine manufacture time frames. Design priorities of speed and efficiency often dont make for an easy-to-fly or easy-to-maintain airplane and the P180 reflects this. Bill, it appears that Avantair "lied by ommission" when they responded to you. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. Closing the power levers to idle sounds the gear warning horn, which is canceled using a button on the RH power lever. They are completely disconnected from operations and maintenance and some in the operation would argue 'reality' should be added to that list. The flare required is very small, just enough to cushion the touchdown, so the nose drops very quickly to the runway. Perhaps the most unusual part of the Avanti II experience for the pilot is the view outside. Its a hard transition for a pilot coming back to PT6s after having flown modern fadec turbofans from Williams and, yes, from Pratt & Whitney. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. Ill let Peter Garrison work out both the semantics and aerodynamics of the question (if those two disciplines would differ on the subject). Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. I am under a recent lease agreement. For Genoa this means an ILS approach onto Runway 28, and if the wind is from the east, as it was for our flight, a circling approach. We were cleared through 8,000 feet very quickly and then up to FL350, set up using the flight guidance panel (FGP) on the glareshield and appearing in cyan in the top right hand side of the PFD. Perhaps its greatest asset is being the worlds most eco-friendly, twin-turbine business aircraft. ^ Goyer, Robert (19 April 2012). "Piaggio P.180 Avanti II". Flying. Archived from the original on 9 June 2017. Retrieved 19 June 2017. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark ^ Berlin, Jeff (1 March 2008). With the stick fully back, we reached 100 knots indicated but once again, as I released the back pressure and smoothly applied power, we recovered. The hours they slave him out for is shameful It pulled the concept off. With regard to maintenance all you need to do is get an engineer to do you monthly checks and for the big ones send it to Dusseldorf. To date, of the aircraft in the fleet that have been inspected, there have been no compliance or airworthiness issues. This is another advantage of a turboprop. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. Ask about it and was told they didn't want to buy replacement parts. Piaggios home airfield is surrounded by terrain, and the approach is offset from the inbound course. However, lately the service sucks and now this. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. Because of the rake angle of the windshield, the glareshield is very deep and provides a perspective unique to the Avanti. Operationally this company is in big trouble. The owners got into another Piaggio and flew again. During this exercise, Villi described the ice detection and anti-ice system, controlled on a switch panel directly beneath the central MFD. On the ground, however, the Avantis overflight noise footprint is on the high scale, which is typical of pusher designs. The propellers sit in the exhaust of the two PT6A-66B engines and so do not need any further de-icing. In simpler terms, that means the engines maintain their 850 shaft horsepower to a higher altitude thereby increasing true airspeed of the airplane through the thinner air. We would be more than happy to speak with any Colorado based owners who might be looking for an experienced Piaggio crew. With the hammer down and in the low 30s, Avanti IIs can hit 400 KTAS on 800 pounds per hour. A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. Piaggio Aero, on the other hand, is still steadily producing its model. The Starships forward canard controls pitch whereas the Avanti has a conventional stabilizer/elevator surface. While canard configurations like the Beechcraft Starship were gaining a lot of attention back then, the exotic Avanti begged to be even more different with its three-lifting-surface arrangement versus the canards tail-forward setup. That is a sign of a company that cares about its pilots. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). WebPostaccident examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and the right main tire had low air pressure. The power levers were manually adjusted as we climbed to maintain 100 percent torque, shown on the engine indicating system on the top of the central multifunction display (MFD) in green. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. Had this been a real emergency, flight deck oxygen masks are stowed outboard of each pilot seat, readily accessible. Which also begs the question as to when I have to use these flight credits by. At that level we were seeing 380 knots or Mach 0.664 on 600 pounds of jet-A per hour, not per side but total. I HOPE they make it but I'm already making plans for other options. Villi led the way, providing an excellent demonstration. Web Conserve water to avoid overloading the septic system. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. Acceleration feels fast, but steering through the rudders is positive and smooth, though it requires an easy touch to avoid darting about. For an airplane that looks so unusual from the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II is in most ways very conventional. CLEARWATER, Fla. October 25, 2012 Avantair, Inc. (OTCBB: AAIR), today announced the company is continuing to stand down operations and engaging top aviation experts to help complete a thorough examination of its fleet of nearly 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft, and a comprehensive review of records and supporting maintenance documentation. Comments since yesterday, Oct. 25, seem oblivious to the safety of flight issues. RMR, I'm in Jacksonville Florida but I am going so start looking for a partner or two to buy something together. Wingspan / 46 ft 1 in Oh, and "coincidentally" perhaps, I got an email request for some documents that they were missing from my file yesterday, which I sent over. Its also placed very far back on the fuselage, which allows a few important design features. You need to check your facts pal, they offered voluntary leaves to avoid furlough up until recently a handful of people have been fired for the slightest error in judgement. Several years ago I shared a King Air 200 with another company which was great until the partner got into financial trouble and couldn't pay their half. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. The forward wing (not to be called a canard, as it has no moving flight controls other than forward flaps) is positioned on the underside of a gracefully sweeping nose and is home to two pitot tubes underneath and, unusually in Western types, has a significant anhedral. Grant handled the radio tuning. We continued to decelerate and shortly after selecting landing flaps, I turned toward the hillside on my left to line up with the runway as we passed through 600 feet. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. At sea level under standard conditions, the Avanti II needs almost exactly the same amount of runway to land as it does to take off, just over 3,200 feet. chrisallegro January 15, 2010, 6:21pm #1. At 10:30 I was contacted and told that my flight had been cancelled, and that they would be looking at both charter and commercial flights at their expense. Turboprops behave in certain ways, and jets in other ways, but the Avanti II is a true hybrid, a product that blends the best traits from two very different airplane categories to arrive at some third niche, which at present it occupies by itself. The release I posted above came directly from Avantair media relations. Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. WebSECTION A: GENERAL, P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I. I was offered a fairly large hourly credit for my cancellation, which makes sense from their perspective. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. Then, Cessna built a tougher Citation which you see today - more ready for fractional use. The problem with the aft mounting is that the Avanti II has a very distinct exterior noise signature that is problematic while by all accounts the Avanti II is no noisier than other PT6-powered twins. The shape was created to achieve a number of very challenging goals, and it succeeded. Earlier, she also confirmed that Avantairs grounding was indeed voluntary and not mandated by the FAA. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. Viva VNR! Contact me at Atomicapril @ gmail.com. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. In other words two failures and occured. Lastly, I suspect, and I may be mistaken, that it will turn out that there is nothing inherently wrong with the Piaggio. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. Villi selected the Rockwell Collins RTA-800 weather radar on his nav display via the display control panel down the side of the PFD, to monitor a cell just inland. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. First, the gear came down below 180 knots, then mid- and finally full-stage flaps and we were nicely stabilized at 500 feet. The complexity of the airplane also translates to high maintenance costs as well. Considering the shape of the nose in front of you, this is handy, because the runway stays in easy view the entire time. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. Mandarin.. Advertising of any kind is not allowed in our comments section. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy. One thats lacking is the single FMS. Villi led a thorough guided tour of the outside of the airplane and explained all of its many unique features. If not pilots for a direct competitor that would benefit from a VNR no longer there, I would guess that they might be disgruntled former employees filtered out by VNR's well-known tough training program. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS I love the plane and at first the service was fine. pilot operation, so when a small amount of fogging briefly appeared on my (right) screen, the clear pattern would allow the left-seat pilot adequate visibility. Bleed air would have been nice, but by the time it had traveled the distance from the engines, its not clear that it would have been very hot anymore, and the bleed air used to heat the wing leading edges robs the turboprops of a great deal of power to begin with. Grant has been flying the Avanti for years with thousands of hours of experience in the airplane, much of it under typical charterlike conditions. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. Full-Stage flaps and we were seeing 380 knots or Mach 0.664 on 600 per. In the late '90 's and early 2000 's making this issue public, P.180 Avanti Type A.I... 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