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I mean-. But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. And it's moving in about one meter per second. His health is failing in 1934. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. A lot of them were like, "This is not how you fight a war.". Well all right, I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. He's bald. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him certifiably to all his crimes. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. You wouldn't though, would you really? And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting at the thought that he had anything to do with zyklon B; but he did. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. This is, uh, I just want to take a shower. There are hints of reasons. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. And you tell us, "Actually, you know under some circumstances, we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because, here's another flip, we don't have to be told. Yet you go into this [inaudible 01:02:33] knowing full well that it could end up in her death. There's a lot of black and white thinking happening right now. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camps? Uh, we ask "Who did you think about killing?" He eventually goes to England. I've just got the, uh, the data from the Milgram. He is a soldier. He- he loves the fatherland and he loves Germany. And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. It was developed in his institute. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. We're going to meet her later. We encounter a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil, turn to one of the most famous (and misunderstood) psychology experiments ever, talk to a man who chased one of the most prolific . Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. Necrophilia. We're going off tape now. And he said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is Of course, you don't want to do this. Reviews . Hi, my name's Josh and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this. Thanks. But he is a, uh, a large, very strong man. That's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. Yes 80 percent of the air is nitrogen atoms. This- this is really important. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, You know, you could find it in cow manure or-. I'm going to give you a little, uh (laughing). Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. But what if something's happened to the man. If you think that science is worth pursuing, you say, "Okay. Is that nitrogen is [tryvalent 00:31:48]. Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. No. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says. I'm going to resign.". Although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing 'cause it's sort of more complicated. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. But 75% of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish. Don't- don't the man's health mean anything? But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. Yeah, well. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film. Yeah, me too. I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? My students are murderers.". How many of them went into that kind of detail? You know, "I- I- I Harley, you know, regret the fact that I killed a young maiden or defamed the king" or whatever it is. Like, maybe he thinks Othello is sleeping with his wife, we're not sure. The fourth prod is. Anytime the experimenter said, "You must continue." But in a us sort of way. Why did you inflict on this suffering on them, on us? There's a pause and my father just says-. And, um, in January of 1984, the Green River task force was formed. And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. It's a little bit more direct. But the questions in the air, at the time, were very real. Haber's gas troops, uh, un- unscrewed, they opened the valves on almost 6000 tanks containing a 150 tons of chlorine. Nothing to be ashamed of. They're not doing something because they have to. He won't answer. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. Under extreme, extreme pressure at high temperature, and then he forces hydrogen into the tank. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age." It's called Too Much Information. She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. Radiolab: Lucy. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Uh, he was doing his- his great science work right around the turn of, uh, the 20th century. He seemed calm. Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. Well he started fuming that his wife had dissed him, and-. The- the last time she- she was in a hurry. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. Cruelty, violence, badness. The most common source of nitrogen is in the air around us. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you un-understandably evil man. So Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to-, That says, "There shall be no Jews in the civil service. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. I knew she had a daughter and-. So, they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow. Hey, I'm Jad Abumrad. Let me just get that out. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". Then he left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said yes. Would change where the shocker and the shock-ee sat. That allows an individual to act inhumanely? I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good to be honest. "You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this.". It's a pretty big thing to miss (laughs) isn't it? This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". It was about how far would these people go? Now that's important. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him, certifiably, to all these crimes. Nitrogen is an essential part of amino acids and proteins. That's historian, Fritz Stern, who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. Um, "Demand me nothing. So there's a way in which there's a touch of spark of humanity. And 84 percent of the women. So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. He takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium. When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. Y-P-R-E-S. Actually, the Americans called it Yeeps. Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation-. Continue using the last switch on the board, please. Many of them after they were murdered. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning, meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and give us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. It's like playing dirty. Okay. Because this room's echo-y. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. And he is celebrated for it. We did a show called The Bad Show. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. Why did you take these women off the streets and want to destroy them? He had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. And it's kind of surprising. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? They've got a very plausible, very credible, high status scientist at high status scientific institution. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". Hey this is Jad, RadioLab is supported by IBM. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. You better check in on him, sir. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife. I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." These violent delights tienen fin violento. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. Go. They were gagging, they were choking. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning. And that's all the difference in the world. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. Radiolab is supported by Casper. And they would circle yes or no. I got those all at night, mostly. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. But if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room, and subject that person to questioning, and really get them to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? And actually this wasn't just a German thing, a lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people on the planet, at that point, that maybe we were maxing out, that the earth couldn't support this many people. I mean, I'm going to record it here too. God. So, I broke up with him. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". And you've done this how many times before. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some RadioLab credits. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to basically issue an order that says there shall be no Jews in the civil service. Then he goes and celebrates that, and then walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says, "More of that please.". Jeff Jensen's book is The Green River Killer, A True Detective Story. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. Right now get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using Code Radiolab at checkout. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. Bread from the air was the phrase 'cause Haber had figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground, and grow wheat. Really? Okay? You know, I'm really proud of Job. This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. Why does God allow this to happen? Prosecution, [crosstalk 00:12:03] the Attorney General. This next part's a little graphic. And Satan's like, "Well, I- I bet I can change his mind." Well what is something's happened, the man had an attack or something there? He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty-, Saying, "You know the process that I used to make food? A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. So, right around 1900. Which was sort of asking these questions like, "What makes a person inherently good or bad? This you and this two other participants. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. Thanks. With a history of industry leading online lending technology developed in the heart of Detroit, Rocket Mortgage is changing the game. no one has ever said about a sex tape that I've ever you know. They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. And he says, "Because of the rage." Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and sit them up right at the dear friend's door. He knew about it. Yeah. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. We're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. In- in other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. In other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. As far as I know, I don't know if I did or not. Uh, and he finds her actually still alive with her life running out of her. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. But the generals were not all that convinced? His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. Now, of course, you could find some nitrogen out in the world. And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. And the infinity of gray spaces in between. We have nothing. It's a graphic or an illustrated novel. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." He could have never imagined that. Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. And you like her. Because you are sullied by them. "Definitely yes.". I think you got to answer it, "With him." And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. And oddly enough, we came- got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy. "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. Gary said, "I needed to kill them," they go, "Why?" Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. With help from Shima Oliaee, Carter Hodge, and Lisa Yeger. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some Radiolab credit. And then, she said, "I actually did this. No reason. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. We begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. Radiolab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science, technology in the modern world. And he goes home for a few days a hero. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas. And he goes home for a few days. Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. Our thanks to Ben Walker, whose podcast he has a podcast and it's a good one. Meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and gives us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. After all, he knows what he can stand. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. Walks away from his child and his wife dead in the woods- kills his wife! 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