John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. The FAA requires applicants with a diagnosis of epilepsy to be seizure-free for 10 years without medication before being considered for a medical certificate. Let me start with a word of advice: DONT DO IT. I am an AME and 4,000 hour pilot. I could not stop thinking about being in the air. Im sorry to hear that. Skydiving. No, get a different one. If the FAA is lieing why should we worry about non-commercial pilots? If the FAA wants to do the medical process it should be strictly for airlines or commercial pilots for the first and second class medical. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. People who are actually depressed long term are not really at risk of doing things like this if they were, they wouldnt be here to start with. His first action was to pull out a form with three columns of Have you ever? items each requiring a yes/no response. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. Returning home, the Civil Aviation Medical Board cleared me for flying. Two years later fifty percent of the same Medical Board had differences of opinion, and being naturally frustrated I decided to visit UK, and was told by specialists there that systolic heart murmur does not prevent me from flying. When I was active duty Air Force we had a guy pass his medical and they drop from a heart attack the next day while sitting on his couch. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). The big question is whether it matters. I dont think its ever been a question about whether pilots lie. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. Wouldn't it be nice if, when you opened up Med Expres, all the information that you had included in your last application was there for reference. Why? The all have SODA and continue to fly. I have a perfect driving record,clean medical history,and also a clean criminal history. The AOPA and the EAA are going to propose an exemption to the third class physical exam that would allow us to use our drivers license as our medical to fly recreational. That is why the FAA doesnt sanction Mr. Diabetes as Dickie would like. Smaller countries use the FAA regulations for medical certification and, therefore, use the 8500-8 form and have it submitted to the FAA for approval. Question 18m. It is possible that the Emirates authorities will check to see if he can make an attempt at a complete sentence with capitalization and punctuation. I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. The FAA as a whole believes all people should fly if they desire. By the way a friend of mine died 2 hours after acquiring his 2nd class medical. Direct Primary Care Physician for Pilots? I have to do the same stuff to go ice diving. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! Further, you fly with your family and maybe some of your employees if you use an aircraft for business transporation. At 60 years of age you do not want to become an airline pilot you just want to be able to go up fly around and come back again. Thank you for allowing me to share. They may only get 3rd class, but they are flying with strict guidelines on preflight accu check, inflight accu check, etc. Its mode of travel, the air, makes it a lot more divertable than stuck to a road, and should make it safer, Especially as opposed to the majority of motor home drivers, that are in their later stages of life, howling down the freeway at 70 miles per hour in bumper to bumper traffic. Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. Youd think somebody in the FAA would be ashamed of being this dumb and show a little initiative and courage to fix such obvious issues instead of burying their tiny little heads in the sand. Before every flight (sometimes several per day) I self qualify myself THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PIC!!! You are very nave about physicians income from doing FAA medicals. The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. My problem is with it taking MONTHS of run around after the issue is handled to the FAAs satisfaction per the conditions they themselves tell us we need to meet. I say that based on the relative numbers discussed above. It is none of their business. It is important to point out, according to the AOPA, there have been no accidents related to pilots self-certifying and flying under the Sport program, and many of those pilots Im sure, were under the same misconception as me! Its sad. Id rather be flying but I dont require the FAAs approval for my activities. The regulations are not arbitrary. Meanwhile the FAA now sits on thier collective thumbs deciding what to do. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical. If a question comes up about whether or not a pilot is qualified to hold an FAA medical certificate, the application itself usually does not contain enough information for AMCD to make a truly informed decision. Did you tell the FAA you snore? Seems ludicrous to me. Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. The FAA processes close to 400,000 flight physicals every year. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. I really want to fly but Im not sure my passion, not to mention my wallet, will be enough to get me through this process. This article does not in any way counsel the reader as to how to appropriately respond to questions on the FAA medical application, nor does it give medical advice regarding the accuracy of the readers medical history. What does NTSB say? Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? Anyone could take the drug and get behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler, a Cat D-11, a speedboat, you get the idea. How does the FAA find out what medications you are on? I would respect them more if they screened for problems and helped people cure them, rather than go over the hill with a knee jerk reaction. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. I have no problem with the current system. I hope you realize a world that had perfect safety would be one not worth living in. hej Jim, you couldnt describe better the current situation: from Aryan superman to weelchair pilot. FAA Disqualifying Conditions: Bipolar Disorder. But it doesnt because the public wouldnt tolerate it. He was flying with ryanair and was due to move to emirates. As they say the truth eventually comes out but sometimes lies can go untold forever and I believe there are pilots who are flying around in our airspace with disqualifying medical conditions that should be special issuance or not even have a medical. So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? Mike F, I agree, Im probably taking the same medication, also works for IBS. I need some advice from experienced pilots / medical professionals about a problem. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. Boating accident deaths 750 What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. Im also struggling with depression. My father had passed his class 2 physical 3 weeks before having a massive heart attack and dieing at the ripe old age of 50. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. You want to be an ATP, you have two pilots. However, when it comes to flying without another capable pilot on board.only friends and family..that is another matter. This is left bundle branch block which is a stop as far as the CAA is concerned. My AME is my regular Doctor. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. maybe for some people want or need to lie, I jus cant do that..ur only foolin urself..I wud feel better knowin Im ok,,by bein checked..by doc,least bp anyway..if I dont feel good to drive then I wouldnt feel good to fly either..i know first hand,retired truck driver,been there done that,also their silent killers.pays to be checked by ur own doc..have idea where u stand medically.. get off fried foods n dont smoke is a BIG HELP..when I dont lie I feel better bout it too. I also feel that anyone flying not-for-hire who can truthfully answer no to all the medical questions should be allowed to submit that form directly to the FAA and maintain his medical without needing to see his AME. Even patients, with well controlled epilepsy, may safely drive. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. Where is this regulation? Would be drowsy at odd times. Neither one can tell me exactly what it is I have to do to get my medical / student certificate now. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. The real question is; Do you trust you AME? You wouldn't report your dad or grandpa if he had a serious medical condition that could endanger his passengers and he was lying about it? Its possible that a pilot could fill out a MedXpress form to the best of their knowledge and still leave something off that could be revealed in an investigation. I found their reaction to my sleep apnea to be too late, ineffective, and over reacting. Funny thing is the murmur is gone but Ill never have my life back If you lie on your medical form Best of luck. It was a more difficult process than if I had done it 20 years prior. The AME also cannot read their minds, so he cannot go beyond a reasonable interpretation either to help with these questions. Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. That is the FAA point of view. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? I look at the FAA as the enemy trying to take my life away. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM #7 ackattacker. If this is a recurrent problem, getting a class 3 medical can be difficult. It's safer to allow people to self-disclose and get help, rather than non-disclosure and possibly flying impaired. The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. It is already hard enough to convince the FAA that you are healthy enough to fly after dealing with lifes curve balls. MEDICAL CATEGORY 3: This category applies to the issue or revalidation of Student Pilot Permit, Helicopters, Gyroplane, Balloon, Pilot Permit, Gyroplane, Private Pilot Licence Aeroplane, Helicopter Pilot Licence, Flight Instructor Rating, Glider, Ultra-light Aeroplanes. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. I believe those with conditions that would be considered a problem while flying (vertigo, blackouts, narcolepsy, use of medications that cause side effects that present without warning and could be debilitating, etc.) His point is that no one requires commercial In certain circumstances, I wouldnt think twice about lying on the medical form, quite frankly. should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. In our opinion, and even for a moment disregarding the morality of lying and putting yourself, your passengers, and anyone elses safety at risk, it simply isnt worth lying despite the low chances of getting caught. Commercial pilots, or military pilots or leisure pilots may have lied during their lifetimes, but it is unfair to only single out the pilots. FAA gets told one version of the story. My admitting to counselling halted my medical. If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). With a small investment of time and energy, in the beginning, it is possible to keep flying with most medical conditions as long as they are well controlled. Speaking as a pilot, I think that there should be a way to maintain certification for those of us flying recreationally without having to see an AME every 2 years. Regardless of whether they lie or not, the system seems to be working there seem to be very few (if any) crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation that they FAA/NTSB can point to a problem that should have come in a medical. If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. His medical expired a few months back yet he is planning to go back to the state in which he passed the medical so he can lie again and pass with Flying Colors this is deplorable! Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. The FAA Cannot possibly know all the doctors or hospitals you have ever been to unless you tell them. If the FAA knew the real medical condition of most pilots, they would loose thier certificates too. With the right preparation, you can navigate the process efficiently. With the impact these regulations and half-baked ideas have on our lives, economy, and national security in general it is time that federal employees comply with all the regulations the citizens that they regulate have to. My driving record is perfect, but I have been wondering if the FAA will reject my certificate because of an assault charge that happened five years ago back when I was in highschool. A simple clerical error!!! Brian is absolutely right. Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? Its about cooperating with your doc so you can keep doing what you love. Try walking in my shoes and you will not agree with that statement. You are better off to work truthfully with your AME. Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. 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