Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. Anybody can do this. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. Wrong ?!?! In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. Peter Pan & Wendy is a live-action reimagining of the J.M . "I don't know why this generation has a different relationship with the past, goes to the past, expecting and looking for different things to earlier generations, but that's really is my observation about them," he says adding the internet has played a huge part. Maybe someone should advise him to button his lip before he stirs up something he may not like. June 16, 2020 - 20:29 BST Aisha Nozari. "He was the voice of somebody who wasn't speaking about the past as a historian, but was living it. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. The problem with slavery is that it left us with their descendents and weak minded White populations. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. I imagine few do. Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. I think a case could be made. The vast majority of Americans are not guilty. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. Do I feel like I had anything to do it? We pretend we do not like slavery but actually we do not like slave traders. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. By this logic, we ought to sue the African American community. And the transatlantic slave trade? Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? We do not know for sure. Africans had a demand for female slaves. No other race / culture was willing and able to do that. Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. They are stupid false for America. Not to say it was nice. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. But maybe they did not. No member of my family ever owned slaves. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. That star stuff wont last. You lost those two. It could have ended earlier, but the planter interests in parliament defeated William Wilberforces attempts. Like I said, as a mental exercise, if I do my best good faith effort to imagine an argument for reparations, I reckon it would concern harms committed by the state (which unlike the slave traders and owners, is still about today) and an argument that it breached some alleged fundamental/universal doctrine of law so that even the states efforts to put the slave industry on a legal footing were null and void. Good point, I wonder how he squares the obviously comfortable living he has writing, opining and broadcasting about slavery with his principles. Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. So he calls himself a Geordie. We are told that an estimated 12.5 million slaves were shipped from Africa to the West Indies and elsewhere in the 18th century. They did not pay for them and were going to kill a lot of them anyway. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. But its still awful, even on a historical scale.. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. Indeed in many cases, whose ancestors didnt even live in France or England at the relevant time. Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. Again, not that these market forces absolve the sellers of a moral responsibility, but there is an argument occasionally deployed that slaves would have been slaves anyway. Thousands of petitions were presented to parliament. I agree BIS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds, https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm, Apparently Essay Mills Must Be Made Illegal, Why Oxfam Can Go Boil Their Heads Over Vaccine Patents, The real point about climate change is how cheap the solution is, The excellent Tim Worstall- The Register, Tim Worstall is a darn good economist- Don Boudreaux, Tim Worstall, you pendant- Polly Toynbee, .more sensible than most right wing nutjob bloggersBob Piper. Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. Note, hes a renowned economist. Then the second. Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. It has been reissued by publishing house Hodder and Prof Olusoga has written the foreword. Their demands should simply be refused. Read about our approach to external linking. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. Its a shame It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. (At least in our society) Get over it. Britain was happy to force the Bevan Boys down coal mines. Not sure theyd do that with modern sensibilities mind you. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. His black half can get the half-payment direct from his white half. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. Even discussing it gives your opponents arguments merit. "I first read it as a student and it struck me as something that was very different to other things I was reading about the Atlantic slave trade. If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. Then dont discuss it. In 1787, they met in London and set up the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. BLM is after political or financial advantages because of slavery. If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. Fought to STOP southern independence. Of course if a rule was instituted that only people with white skins had to pay taxes, it might happen. It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. And tolerance is not a given. 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